look at syria, turkey, jordan, syria -- >> bill: sure. it's cauldron over there. >> absolutely. >> bill: i wanted to get your opinion on what you would have done had you been president. finally, were you surprised that president obama was so flat in the debate? he wasn't the guy that debated you four years ago. >> well, i think that there is a fundamental change here, bill, and that was in 2008, he didn't have a record to defend. and he's been living in a four-year bubble surrounded by an adoring media. this is the first time that he has really had to respond and he couldn't because he's having to defend a record which is indefensible. and i guess the second thing is that what is probably most impactful about this than anything else is that obama has been in a campaign spent hundreds of millions of dollars, particularly if swing states portraying mitt romney as some kind of out of touch richie rich, you know, bank accounts in the cayman islands guy and he came across as a sensible, reasonable, centrist man who wants to unite america and t